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		<title>By: Another Legacy of Glory Playtest and Some Painting Notes &#171; The Great Redoubt</title>
		<link>http://befreiungskriege.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/getting-your-whites-right-and-other-chores/#comment-1717</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Legacy of Glory Playtest and Some Painting Notes &#171; The Great Redoubt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to build up white cloth from a brown base versus black/grey, and I had major issues with things.   Getting white to look right is hard! I&#8217;ve ordered the Andrea Miniatures white paint set and hope to have that in my arsenal soon. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to build up white cloth from a brown base versus black/grey, and I had major issues with things.   Getting white to look right is hard! I&#8217;ve ordered the Andrea Miniatures white paint set and hope to have that in my arsenal soon. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://befreiungskriege.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/getting-your-whites-right-and-other-chores/#comment-1621</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just used water.  I have some flow enhancer that I hardly ever use, but maybe I&#039;ll try that.  I&#039;ll let you know how that works out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just used water.  I have some flow enhancer that I hardly ever use, but maybe I&#8217;ll try that.  I&#8217;ll let you know how that works out.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://befreiungskriege.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/getting-your-whites-right-and-other-chores/#comment-1620</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to hear it&#039;s worked out well for you, Phil. On of the reasons I run BfK is to share ideas and experiences like this so it&#039;s gratfiying when somebody gets a better painting experience as a result of what&#039;s happened here.

I agree that the paint does need dilution before use - but then I expect to do that with all brands of acrylic paints. I am a little more concerned that you report seperation on the palette. I&#039;ve never seen that with any paint. What do you use to dilute? I use distilled, filtered water mixed with W&amp;N flow improver. I know that sounds like hassle but I periodically mix up a batch and keep it in a jar with a lid so it lasts for ages and then I use a pipette to put drops out on to the palette as needed.

As for paint drying on the palette - that cones with the territory, especislyl during hot Summer weather. One thing you can do to counteract that is use a wet palette. I know several painters who make their own using old ice cream tubs and greaseproof paper. One of these days I&#039;ll get round to trying it out for myself.

Other colours? There&#039;s certainly black, red and flesh, maybe more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to hear it&#8217;s worked out well for you, Phil. On of the reasons I run BfK is to share ideas and experiences like this so it&#8217;s gratfiying when somebody gets a better painting experience as a result of what&#8217;s happened here.</p>
<p>I agree that the paint does need dilution before use &#8211; but then I expect to do that with all brands of acrylic paints. I am a little more concerned that you report seperation on the palette. I&#8217;ve never seen that with any paint. What do you use to dilute? I use distilled, filtered water mixed with W&amp;N flow improver. I know that sounds like hassle but I periodically mix up a batch and keep it in a jar with a lid so it lasts for ages and then I use a pipette to put drops out on to the palette as needed.</p>
<p>As for paint drying on the palette &#8211; that cones with the territory, especislyl during hot Summer weather. One thing you can do to counteract that is use a wet palette. I know several painters who make their own using old ice cream tubs and greaseproof paper. One of these days I&#8217;ll get round to trying it out for myself.</p>
<p>Other colours? There&#8217;s certainly black, red and flesh, maybe more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I experimented with both the blue and the white over the weekend.  The blue is just a dream to work with.  I can&#039;t wait to do something on a large scale with blue.  I&#039;ll probably finish my landwehr int he current brigade (two more battalions) with it.  It&#039;s a little different shade than the vallejo dark prussian blue/prussian blue combo I&#039;ve used but that won&#039;t matter on the landwehr.  When I start my next brigade I&#039;ll have to figure out whether to switch to this for all my remaining Prussians.  It really is an amazing paint.  The 4th highlight is quite light.  I won&#039;t need it for the prussians, but for other stuff, I think I&#039;d need to mix it with the 3rd highlight if I were going to use it on anything.

The white is interesting.   The only downside is that it seems really, really thick.  It will take some time to get the hang of cutting it down to a good consistency.  I tended to cut it too much to begin with so that it was fine going on as a paint, but separated as it sat on the palate and then dried out really quickly.  I love the color though.  I could see doing some off white stuff with the 4th highlight really as a small highlight on things, or even being omitted altoghether (using 3 layers from the rest of the set).

Glad you experimented with this Martin, and made the effort to write it up.  I prolly wouldn&#039;t have tried it myself otherwise.

Now what other colors do they have?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I experimented with both the blue and the white over the weekend.  The blue is just a dream to work with.  I can&#8217;t wait to do something on a large scale with blue.  I&#8217;ll probably finish my landwehr int he current brigade (two more battalions) with it.  It&#8217;s a little different shade than the vallejo dark prussian blue/prussian blue combo I&#8217;ve used but that won&#8217;t matter on the landwehr.  When I start my next brigade I&#8217;ll have to figure out whether to switch to this for all my remaining Prussians.  It really is an amazing paint.  The 4th highlight is quite light.  I won&#8217;t need it for the prussians, but for other stuff, I think I&#8217;d need to mix it with the 3rd highlight if I were going to use it on anything.</p>
<p>The white is interesting.   The only downside is that it seems really, really thick.  It will take some time to get the hang of cutting it down to a good consistency.  I tended to cut it too much to begin with so that it was fine going on as a paint, but separated as it sat on the palate and then dried out really quickly.  I love the color though.  I could see doing some off white stuff with the 4th highlight really as a small highlight on things, or even being omitted altoghether (using 3 layers from the rest of the set).</p>
<p>Glad you experimented with this Martin, and made the effort to write it up.  I prolly wouldn&#8217;t have tried it myself otherwise.</p>
<p>Now what other colors do they have?????</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  I was just trying to figure it out by looking at that little sheet and it wasn&#039;t clear.  Painting down into the shadows seems hard, but maybe on a 54mm figure it wouldn&#039;t be.  I intend to use them for 3 layers also and as I see it having 6 shades of the same color should give me the ability to do dark, medium, and light versions of the same by choosing which triad within the 6 to use.  But experimentation will tell me whether this is really practical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  I was just trying to figure it out by looking at that little sheet and it wasn&#8217;t clear.  Painting down into the shadows seems hard, but maybe on a 54mm figure it wouldn&#8217;t be.  I intend to use them for 3 layers also and as I see it having 6 shades of the same color should give me the ability to do dark, medium, and light versions of the same by choosing which triad within the 6 to use.  But experimentation will tell me whether this is really practical.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be an A5 leaflet in the box with some guidance. That leaflet is aimed at painters of 54mm and above figures, mind. The technique typically used by painters at the larger scales is to start with the mid-colour (the &quot;base&quot; colour in the Andrea set) then work up the highlights before finishing by working down the shadows. There&#039;s a free 25-page PDF guide you can &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/descargas/e-mail.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;download&lt;/a&gt; from the Andrea site entitled &quot;Painting with Julio Cabos&quot; if you don&#039;t mind providing an e-mail address.

But it&#039;s probably not a how a 28mm painter would use the set. The way I look at it is that it&#039;s a six layer set and if you use them in the layered painting style you&#039;d go from darkest to lightest (i.e. 2nd shadow, 1st shadow, base, 1st highlight, 2nd highlight, 3rd highlight). I&#039;ve reached the conclusion that using all six is overkill on a 28mm figure and I&#039;ve now settled on the three layers described in my posting above.

Lastly, all six paints are the same consistency - none of them are designed as washes or inks. But there&#039;s nothing to stop you diluting them to use as washes if you wish - in just the same way you might with a Vallejo paint. Of course, I&#039;m not going to be able to give you much guidance on that because I rarely use washes in my painting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be an A5 leaflet in the box with some guidance. That leaflet is aimed at painters of 54mm and above figures, mind. The technique typically used by painters at the larger scales is to start with the mid-colour (the &#8220;base&#8221; colour in the Andrea set) then work up the highlights before finishing by working down the shadows. There&#8217;s a free 25-page PDF guide you can <a href="http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/descargas/e-mail.html" rel="nofollow">download</a> from the Andrea site entitled &#8220;Painting with Julio Cabos&#8221; if you don&#8217;t mind providing an e-mail address.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s probably not a how a 28mm painter would use the set. The way I look at it is that it&#8217;s a six layer set and if you use them in the layered painting style you&#8217;d go from darkest to lightest (i.e. 2nd shadow, 1st shadow, base, 1st highlight, 2nd highlight, 3rd highlight). I&#8217;ve reached the conclusion that using all six is overkill on a 28mm figure and I&#8217;ve now settled on the three layers described in my posting above.</p>
<p>Lastly, all six paints are the same consistency &#8211; none of them are designed as washes or inks. But there&#8217;s nothing to stop you diluting them to use as washes if you wish &#8211; in just the same way you might with a Vallejo paint. Of course, I&#8217;m not going to be able to give you much guidance on that because I rarely use washes in my painting.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So my white and blue set came today.  (By the way - good turnaround from Michigan Toy Soldiers if you happen to live in the states and are looking for Andrea paints).

It may be a few days before I get to experiment as the A/C is out in my gameroom.  But I&#039;m curious about what is intended.  Are the two shadow colors in the set intended to go on as a wash at the end?  Are they the same consistency as the other paints?  It looks like you just used them to build up from as a base.

Nothing in the packaging helps, maybe Andrea have some publications somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So my white and blue set came today.  (By the way &#8211; good turnaround from Michigan Toy Soldiers if you happen to live in the states and are looking for Andrea paints).</p>
<p>It may be a few days before I get to experiment as the A/C is out in my gameroom.  But I&#8217;m curious about what is intended.  Are the two shadow colors in the set intended to go on as a wash at the end?  Are they the same consistency as the other paints?  It looks like you just used them to build up from as a base.</p>
<p>Nothing in the packaging helps, maybe Andrea have some publications somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I placed an order last week for the white set and the blue set.  I&#039;m looking forward to them.  I really need a good blue set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I placed an order last week for the white set and the blue set.  I&#8217;m looking forward to them.  I really need a good blue set.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er . . . wasn&#039;t being critical, just  tight!

;O)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er . . . wasn&#8217;t being critical, just  tight!</p>
<p>;O)</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing to bear in mind is that I was only removing a couple of layers of unvarnished acrylic paint, so hot water and gentle rubbing with the old toothbrush works well. I don&#039;t think it would have any effect on varnished figures and I also suspect it would be ineffective on Foundry acrylics - they seem to dry to a much more robust finish than Vallejos or Andreas.

My intention wasn&#039;t to buff the metal underneath. In fact, I was being deliberately gentle so as not to remove detail from the casting. The hot water is actually pretty effective - a bit like when I clean my ceramic palette (AKA an old cereal bowl) after a painting session. It doesn&#039;t seem to matter how long the paint has been left to dry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing to bear in mind is that I was only removing a couple of layers of unvarnished acrylic paint, so hot water and gentle rubbing with the old toothbrush works well. I don&#8217;t think it would have any effect on varnished figures and I also suspect it would be ineffective on Foundry acrylics &#8211; they seem to dry to a much more robust finish than Vallejos or Andreas.</p>
<p>My intention wasn&#8217;t to buff the metal underneath. In fact, I was being deliberately gentle so as not to remove detail from the casting. The hot water is actually pretty effective &#8211; a bit like when I clean my ceramic palette (AKA an old cereal bowl) after a painting session. It doesn&#8217;t seem to matter how long the paint has been left to dry.</p>
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